dag'nab... i see what you mean, that is a pickle of limitations. exciting regardless, i am so psyched to hear you are working on this. you could always make a couple of beta versions of variations upon the parameters and see which versions people appreciate the most. if you are looking for a beta tester look no further, hehe. ;) (tokenrecluse (at) gmail (dot) com) in your testings are you finding that the results are as cpu intensive as other quartz composition data moshing plugins? cheers, nice work and feel free to post any updates, can't wait! bp