Hi @dj_marv Thanks for replying, that Orbit looks pretty cool, unfortunately, ill be using my controller to trigger: media bank, text bank and image bank and parameters, so need rows of 8pads (minimum) and at least 8 sliders/dials, i prefer to perform without layers/pages. In the interim, i brought an Akai APC mini, it works great, but getting the lights to work is almost impossible, i may have to learn python scripting but even then, it will be in a complete on/off state.